Pietermaritzburg

A Response to Pieter Lombard of New Covenant Fellowship (NCF)

Writing a blog like this is never easy. It draws a line between you, and those you used to consider friends. I lay my thoughts, opinions and self before everyone here to read. It is placing yourself in a vulnerable position to write the things that I do. One thing that I always do is be honest, and I expect the same from my opponents. The bible is clear on dis-honesty:

Luke 16:10 – “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much“.

Recently comments were made on this blog that shocked me. Not because of the content, I welcome an opposing view and I responded in turn, what shocked me was a level of dis-honesty that should never be associated with someone claiming to be a Christian. Once the veil of dis-honesty is removed, we are left with a bleak picture of what NCF is all about.

I am not a pastor, or a missionary. I am a man, with no special office besides that of being a born again Christian. I believe that as a born again Christian we are all Priests, in direct commune with God through Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2: 9, Hebrews 7:17). I am what I am, imperfect and here before you.

Pieter Lombard’s Deception

A commenter by the name of “I Love Jesus” made two comments on the 12th August. The comments pushed the Authority of eldership, and that it is unbiblical to rebuke, or expose such elders.

I responded to this poster and showed him that the view he was promoting was one sided because indeed the Bible calls us to rebuke and expose (Titus 1:13, Titus 1:9, Ephesians 5:11, 1 Timothy 5:20). You can view the posts here that were posted by “I Love Jesus”:

http://bit.ly/r1a9CU
http://bit.ly/qzkKnF

My response can be viewed here: http://bit.ly/nS31d8

At this point, a new poster entered the discussion by the name of “jesusgate”, accusing me of being an angry person. It is very clear by the way that jesusgate wrote that he presented himself as a different person than I Love Jesus.  The response I made can be seen here: http://bit.ly/nAca0L

After the poster commented on me being an angry man, he started spewing off other insults such as:

For a cessationist you certainly are quick to claim God spoke to you which i find a bit contradictory.

Come, i dare you to claim the status Ezekiel…..

Hay Forced to Hide, even a bitter, fire spewing cessationist is expected to embrace God’s delegated authority.

Forced to Hide, you are deleting my post’s as well as some of your own. You are good at re-writing history my friend. Crafting your website to suit your own needs is off the chart unchristian.

I noticed something strange, although jesusgate presented himself not to be I Love Jesus, the IP address of the poster was the same. It was at this stage that I decided to investigate the poster some more.

Below is a snippet from I love Jesus, and I have blurred out the IP address for security reasons. Needless to say, the IP address lead back to Pietermaritzburg, which happens to be the town that I live in.

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I then decided to take the posters email address and see who he was on Facebook, the result of the search brought up this individual:

https://www.facebook.com/pieter.lombard1

We went through the wall posts and found this.

Remember, this is the email address related to I Love Jesus!

The other poster has the following email

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A simple search on facebook brought up this profile:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000776130617

Reading this profile wall we thought that they were the one and same persons….. then,  we found this on the wall Heavens gate which as a recap is the email address related to jesusgate

I called the NCF church office and confirmed that Pieter Lombard had worked on the Production of Heaven’s Gates and Hells Flames in the Imbali site. The above wall post confirms that the poster had worked on the production. I also confirmed with the NCF office that the Cell Phone number listed on  wall post above from the jesusgate was the same as Pieter’s Cell Phone number.

The lies keep coming

Pieter goes further spinning a web of lies that he cannot dig himself out of

In this post http://bit.ly/pGFaTz Pieter states the following:

I have belonged to an NCMI relating church for many years and i am shocked by the bitter words i have read in this website. I left a “traditional” church who excommunicated my father for asking them to use grape juice in stead of real wine for communion because there were many alcoholics in the church. I have found great freedom and an ever deepening love relationship with Jesus under the guidance of the people you so demonise.

Ok, thanks for that insight Piet, so you have been a member of a NCMI relating church for many years. Lets look at another quote located here http://bit.ly/pBqHGK:

I would not mind being an active member of the church you have your vendetta with. At the moment i am in a baptist church. What church are you in young fellow?

I follow Jesus my friend, you are the one confused about which church you attend. Why lie, what are you trying to prove. Your continued lies are simply disgusting.

I desire to be an elder one day, which is a noble desire. When you get to lead people you gain insight in to scripture that would have been just words to someone who has always followed, such as yourself.

You are already an elder! One more twisted lie – Again I ask, What are you trying to prove?

…..Besides this i hear they gave quite a sum of money to the central baptist church when it fell on hard times. Besides this i hear the lead pastor’s father in law is a pastor in a traditional church.

You still making yourself out to be unrelated to NCF! You did not hear, you apparently know (Those claims are still to be confirmed)!

Who is Piet?

Pieter Lombard is an Elder at NCF church, Pietermaritzburg. This can be confirmed here:

http://ncfchurch.org.za/the-team/
Look for Piet and Penny Lombard.

He has served on the Eldership team for the last year.

What does this mean?

The comments the person was making was perhaps understandable from someone who did not lead people spiritually. It could be simply put down to ignorance, but with the revelation that Pieter is in fact an elder, we have to look at what he said in that light, and understand what this Elder is saying about the Authority of the church offices.

I honestly get the impression that, while prayer is the correct biblical response (letting God do what He does) some people at your church have taken matters in their own hands. Clearly going to court is not biblical and clearly setting yourselves up against leadership is not biblical.

How is it not biblical to rebuke, and expose leaders who are teaching a Gospel, or doctrine that is contrary to that which the Lord Jesus gave us? See : Titus 1:13, Titus 1:9, Ephesians 5:11, 1 Timothy 5:20 

I desire to be an elder one day, which is a noble desire. When you get to lead people you gain insight in to scripture that would have been just words to someone who has always followed, such as yourself. I know what it takes to lead and love a small group for years and I have amazing respect for those who lead hundreds and thousands. By your own admission you have never lead people so I don’t expect you to understand a word I am saying.

I don’t really need to say more here. Pieter is saying that when you become an Elder (or leader) you gain insight into the bible that you could not have had before. He tries to discredit me, telling me that I won’t understand what he is saying because I have never lead. Is this the doctrine of NCF? Does NCF promote a Spiritual hierarchy as I have always claimed. This serves as evidence of that.

The way Forward

Besides penning this post, I will be emailing and tweeting all NCF elders that contact details can be obtained. I will also be posting the link on the NCF facebook page. This serves as a open letter of disapproval with regards to the dishonest actions that Pieter Lombard has committed on this site. How is a church (The Universal Church) supposed to grow in an environment where a leader lies to try and discredit an opponent. The doctrine discussed on this site does not address key doctrinal points, but rather denominational points that I have a heart for. I see his dishonestly as totally unnecessary in this regard, or in any regard for that matter (even if he is talking to a Muslim or Jehovah’s Witness).

Look at the followig quotation from Pieter http://bit.ly/okRo06:

Elders should be peacemakers, prayer warriors, teachers, leaders by example, and decision makers

He should take his own advise, because the example he has set here is not in line with his own words.

Look at this quotation where he calls me a Heretic. I ask you now, who is the heretic?  http://bit.ly/qv8cvr:

I have never come across more divisive words than i have in this website. If you were my flock Tit 3:10 would apply.

A Picky Follower

I got to thinking lately how we all are such sheep. I remember back in 1999 when everyone was freaking out about the Y2K bug and how civilisation was going to crash come 2000. I was freaked out and believed it without question. Time Magazine even had a cover depicting a post apocalyptic scene in New York with everyone throwing their PCs out of the windows.

That year I went to a New Years celebration at a hotel in my town. It was very delightful and we all had a good meal and enjoyed ourselves. Come the strike of midnight everyone went quite waiting for the power to fail, but as you all know nothing happened.

I am not a leader and I much prefer to follow than lead. I think that this is one of the reasons I ended up in a NCMI relating church in the first place. I found it comfortable to have someone make all the decisions for me. When I left I was angry at myself for being a follower. I wished that I could be a leader.

It was only later that I realized that there is nothing wrong with being a follower, all though I believe that letting people make all the decisions in your life is wrong. I learnt that when you choose to let someone lead you that you should expect to be lead well and if they lead you poorly, then find another leader. I think that if you, like me, prefer to be lead then you should spend less time trying to transform yourself into a great leader and spend more time finding the right person to lead you. In your walk with God and your drive to Christ likeness one should accept the help placed in your path, all the while measuring it up to Gods word because the enemy can also place people in your path that will lead you astray.

NCF, don’t you have homes to eat in?

Of all the things that happen at New Covenant Fellowship (NCF), of all the abuses, and all the manipulation, there is one that shocks me more than any other. I am talking about the selling of food after each service.

I still attend NCF from time to time, and on my last visit I was witness to a very sad site indeed. I was standing in the main foyer of the church watching the brethren stuff their faces with hotdogs that one can purchase from the in-house restaurant, when I saw one man walk away from his food that was sitting on one of the table. He was obviously full and did not want what was left over. To my horror two small children, who were not well dressed moved over to the table and took the leftovers and ate it.

I believe morally it is wrong for this type of thing to happen in any church, but I am sure that if you asked the eldership about what happened they will say that the food is free for those who can’t afford it.

This I would say is very admirable, but is it practiced? I would be very interested in seeing a recorded number of how many people actually take up the (so called) offer for free food.

But besides this being a morel issue, I also believe it to be a biblical issue. NCF has purposely ignored parts of the bible so they can run this fund raising exercise.

I would like to look at two verses that I believe refer to this abuse.

John 2:13-17

Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”

I am sure that if I presented this verse to an NCF elder that they would make a statement along the following line:

“Jesus was in the Temple and not a church. The Temple was much more holy than a church. This is because The Holy of Holies was there making it God’s literal house.”

This may be true, but is a church not the embassy of our God and Lord Jesus Christ? Are the people that make it up not God’s representatives here on earth?

Has NCF not turned the Church of Christ into a church of merchandise?

The second verse I believe is more decisive on the matter, especially when considering the two poor children that had to eat leftovers.

1 Corinthians 11:17-22

In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!”

Well NCF, don’t you have homes to eat in or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing.

This verse also shows that my interpretation of John 2:13-17 is a correct one because it says “do you despise the church”. This shows that there has to be a level of respect for the church, and if it degraded the temple then it also degrades the church.

Dying for Zuma

The Natal Witness – 25th August 2008

CONGREGANTS of Pietermaritzburg’s NCF church and family of ANC president Jacob Zuma packed the church yesterday to listen to a “Willing to die for Zuma” sermon.
Zuma was due to attend the sermon, but cancelled because of other commitments.
The sermon focused on the “willingness of Jesus Christ to die for everyone”.
Pastor Grant Crawford told the congregants: “Although the church does not have any political affiliations and neither does it make political statements, we were intrigued by the interest of the ANC in the matter, as it is rare that anybody would be prepared to die for a righteous man.”
ANC Youth League president Julius Malema recently stated that the youth are prepared to die and kill for Zuma.