An Alternative Agenda – Illicit Affair or Something Else

Many readers of the comment section will find the title exciting because there has been a lot of talk recently about an Affair between Jon Daniels and a congregant in his Coastlands church. As my first time posting as the new Admin for this site, I would have really liked the post to be a expose of the problems that are happening within the NCMI movement. Unfortunately, I find myself conflicted and even forced to defend some within the NCMI movement.

Did JD have an affair? I am uncertain, and I blame certain abusers of the comment section on this blog. What looks like a telling tail of the excesses of this Charismatic movement from the average reader looks like a falsehood for anyone who can read the admin section. It became abundantly clear that there were perhaps 1 or 2 people posting on the comments about the affair but have used soo many aliases that it looks like a massive conversation between many.

The first time I noticed that something was wrong was when someone using the email address for Jon Daniels but gave her name as Mary. This made me look closer at the allegeations that were being given and I found that almost all shared the same IP address as below.

Besides this, the same comment was made as above but from a totally different user, with a different email address but the very same IP

I tried to contact the last commenter via email, and after more than a week, I have received no reply.

As it stands, I believe that something is wrong. To remedy this, I have deleting all comments from the above IP, and any email from Living Hope Church’s email address.


A Picky Follower

I got to thinking lately how we all are such sheep. I remember back in 1999 when everyone was freaking out about the Y2K bug and how civilisation was going to crash come 2000. I was freaked out and believed it without question. Time Magazine even had a cover depicting a post apocalyptic scene in New York with everyone throwing their PCs out of the windows.

That year I went to a New Years celebration at a hotel in my town. It was very delightful and we all had a good meal and enjoyed ourselves. Come the strike of midnight everyone went quite waiting for the power to fail, but as you all know nothing happened.

I am not a leader and I much prefer to follow than lead. I think that this is one of the reasons I ended up in a NCMI relating church in the first place. I found it comfortable to have someone make all the decisions for me. When I left I was angry at myself for being a follower. I wished that I could be a leader.

It was only later that I realized that there is nothing wrong with being a follower, all though I believe that letting people make all the decisions in your life is wrong. I learnt that when you choose to let someone lead you that you should expect to be lead well and if they lead you poorly, then find another leader. I think that if you, like me, prefer to be lead then you should spend less time trying to transform yourself into a great leader and spend more time finding the right person to lead you. In your walk with God and your drive to Christ likeness one should accept the help placed in your path, all the while measuring it up to Gods word because the enemy can also place people in your path that will lead you astray.

Through the Chaos

Jumping up and down, spinning around, mass tongues, waving flags and even stage diving. These are things that anyone that has ever attended an NCMI relating church (or most NCMI relating churches) would have seen.
I loved it and saw it as a church that had found freedom in religion. These people, I thought where so hyped for God and where doing Him some great service by performing these theatrics.
Every service I would eagerly head to church excited to experience this freedom. I would hear people speak in tongues, I would hear prophecy, and I would hear what I thought to be God speaking into my own heart.
It was only later on when I started having conflict with some of the elders that the scales fell off my eyes. I started to see how everything that was happening was nothing more than experience and had very little, if not nothing to do with the bible. I was given a book called Occult ABC written by Kurt E. Koch and was shocked to see that he dealt with tongues as being of the occult. I mean how could he? My world view was totally rocked. How could a Christian say that something that I believed to be a normal Christian thing is part of the occult?
It was enough for me to start questioning, searching and enquiring. I did this at the church and via correspondence on the internet. Every time I asked a question they either ignored me or rebuked me. There was never a spirit of understanding to my concerns. This was coupled with the elders at church getting into conflict with my wife and me over a ministry that she used to run. I was also told that I believed in heretical doctrine because I was inclined to Calvinism.
After some time and much soul searching I left. I had to; I would not have felt right if I did not.
After I left I had to deal with an internal crisis. I was unsure if I was correct to have left. I am not closed minded and I knew that there was very likely a possibility that I was to blame for the fallout. It was then that I started bumping into people that where going through, or had gone through the same as me. There was not just a few, but many.
I am at peace now knowing that the choice that I made was correct. It was the only choice that I could have made. I am also comfortable that my choice to start this blog and the support forum for people that have left NCMI was also correct. I still battle, but am taking this journey one step at a time. I am finally whole.

NCF, don’t you have homes to eat in?

Of all the things that happen at New Covenant Fellowship (NCF), of all the abuses, and all the manipulation, there is one that shocks me more than any other. I am talking about the selling of food after each service.

I still attend NCF from time to time, and on my last visit I was witness to a very sad site indeed. I was standing in the main foyer of the church watching the brethren stuff their faces with hotdogs that one can purchase from the in-house restaurant, when I saw one man walk away from his food that was sitting on one of the table. He was obviously full and did not want what was left over. To my horror two small children, who were not well dressed moved over to the table and took the leftovers and ate it.

I believe morally it is wrong for this type of thing to happen in any church, but I am sure that if you asked the eldership about what happened they will say that the food is free for those who can’t afford it.

This I would say is very admirable, but is it practiced? I would be very interested in seeing a recorded number of how many people actually take up the (so called) offer for free food.

But besides this being a morel issue, I also believe it to be a biblical issue. NCF has purposely ignored parts of the bible so they can run this fund raising exercise.

I would like to look at two verses that I believe refer to this abuse.

John 2:13-17

Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” Then His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up.”

I am sure that if I presented this verse to an NCF elder that they would make a statement along the following line:

“Jesus was in the Temple and not a church. The Temple was much more holy than a church. This is because The Holy of Holies was there making it God’s literal house.”

This may be true, but is a church not the embassy of our God and Lord Jesus Christ? Are the people that make it up not God’s representatives here on earth?

Has NCF not turned the Church of Christ into a church of merchandise?

The second verse I believe is more decisive on the matter, especially when considering the two poor children that had to eat leftovers.

1 Corinthians 11:17-22

In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!”

Well NCF, don’t you have homes to eat in or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing.

This verse also shows that my interpretation of John 2:13-17 is a correct one because it says “do you despise the church”. This shows that there has to be a level of respect for the church, and if it degraded the temple then it also degrades the church.