Dear freedom fighter (and anyone else who has come to try and discredit us)

Dear freedom fighter (and anyone else who has come to try and discredit us)

This blog was created for those who have been left behind by NCMI, each person that God has bought to this blog has been abused (some even sexually), lied to, stolen from, manipulated, hurt, broken and all this by a church you say we have no hard evidence against? Does this sound like a church that is good? A church that loves people? Helps people? Cares for people? Lifts people?

There is enough hurt and brokenness to bring even the slightest doubt of the goodness of this church. Not only one church, but all the NCMI churches from around the world. Now I can guess that you are a NCMI follower, no person with even the slightest of insight, a person with the ability to question (which you seem to not be able to do – you only question the broken victims of NCMI, yet not NCMI themselves and as a person that has dealt with NCMI for nearly 10 years I know one of the first signs of a devote NCMI is the lack of ability to look past the brainwash and to see their true colors)

I have been a victim of abuse of NCMI. I can testify to it right now before every person who is reading this. I was a victim of abuse at our local church, I left the church broken. My marriage was questioned, my faith was questioned, and everything about me was question. Why because I chose to come forward, because I spoke out about the abuse and manipulation and lies. Now no NCMI person will talk to us because we said: wait a minute – there is something wrong here. Our “friends” don’t talk to us because even though they possible had even seen the abuse for themselves, they are fearful to question NCMI.

Everything in the church was based on a hierarchy. I happened to be at the bottom so when we came forward about the abuse from the person who was higher above us, it was swept under the carpet. I was seen as the wrong one – but how could I be the wrong one if I was on the receiving end of abuse? The church is meant to be the first stop for help, yet when we did that and asked for help we were questioned, belittled, ignored, spoken about, lied to . And the abuser was taken in the car by the lead elder and asked if abuse took place. He said no and that was the end of it.

That’s my story, I have more stories that I am happy to share. A quick one: When I first became a member of NCF, I stayed at a shelter. The couple that ran the shelter were the most abusive and dishonest people around. I will never forget the one time the woman was angry with a little 2 year old that was there because his father use to get drunk and beat on them. Well this kid always flushed his head down the toilet and one day this project leader had enough and stared to beat on this little 2 year old. Anyway I started to question NCMI, and that’s when I started to see a glimpse of who they are. Myself and a another person was kick out this shelter, but they knew they could not just put me on the streets because I was only 15 at the time, so they called my mother who lived in another town and told her I was taking drugs and I had to return to her. I was a saved Christian at the time, fully in love with Jesus. I had a past of drugs…. Why would I take drugs? Why would I throw away my life when God had just picked me out of it? They caused huge problems, knowing that I was clean, knowing that they were lying and being deceitful, but as a way to get rid of me. But beyond that – I moved to a new town to clean up my life, to grow near to God. I can tell you now, if I never left my home town when I did, I would be dead today. So beyond their lies, of them trying to send me back home, it could have been more detrimental to me than you can imagine.

We have seen friends lives ripped to piece, we have seen NCF break marriages, we have seen people have full on nervous break-downs because of the trauma from NCF. I have seen children choose NCF over their families which resulted in a huge family break up, I have seen friends go back to a unchristian lifestyle and have ended up with abusive partners, I have seen a drug addicted who has begged for help be turned away by his own sister because he questioned NCF, I have seen a man who was a deacon of NCF sexually abuse young girls and his daughter but nothing was done until one day he made a teenager pregnant and divorced his wife and married her. I know of an elder who had 2 deacons’ sons, who wife killed herself, I think she used rat poison. I wonder what the family dynamic was there that she became so desperate! I know of a woman that was seeking God and was always turned down by NCF because she was low class and one day she was found dead – she hung herself. I have seen NCF use large amounts of money on material things to make their church the biggest and the greatest whilst thousands of children suffer each day in this town. You say on one of my other posts and I quote: ” Photo comparison between NCMI and the rest of the world is so ridiculous that no – one with half a brain would even consider it for a second!” Than tell me why NCF use their money buying smoke machines and fancy lights and big screens and all this time children are dying in our town. YES DYING – and what have they done to stop the deaths – nothing! And interesting a NCMI church will NEVER assist a project that is not one of their ministries ( because if it’s not theirs they cannot get the credit for it). Anyone with half a brain would see that there in its self is a big problem – the church is meant to be looking after those children, not their own needs – not needs that have nothing to do with God or his people.

This is only some of what I have seen, what about the rest of the world? What about all those who have come here with their own testimonies? What about those who are too scared to come forward? What about those who don’t yet know that NCMI has a BIG problem?

Feedom fighter, deceiver, NCMI fan / follower, man from Denver who is too blind to see the truth right in front of him, Tyron’s friend, Steve, Grant, Russ, John or any other person that comes to this blog to say that this blog is wrong, or unconstructive, or doing no good or that we have no evidence. Do me a favour, read though the posts and comments, read though the stories of how people like you, how churches like yours have total messed up people’s lives – INNOCENT people who just wanted to find God and what did they find  – the devil! Take a long look at the broken people on this blog, people who have wept at the hurt, pulled away from God because of your deceit and tell me then still if nothing is wrong with you or your church! Tell me that you can’t see major problems with NCMI and tell me that your church does not do more harm than good!!!!

All I can say is I am thankful that I was able to find God after NCMI, I am thankful that God was able to show me the faults in the church and show me that contrary to what NCMI likes to make you feel – God is more than NCMI and God is beyond NCMI. It was hard in the beginning to remain a Christian after I left NCF, I felt betrayed by God because ‘His people’ hurt me and let me down. Because ‘His people’ lied to me and abused me. And when leaders who were once my friend block me on facebook or when an elder who you respected and looked to as a man of God, someone you always trusted and respect refuses to talk to you or even respond to emails because of your stand against NCMI – you start to think… is there something wrong with me, you lose all your value because these so called men of God treat you like dirt. You wonder if you will ever find God or if you will ever have friends after the only friends you have are those within the NCMI building you just walked out of. It was scary, you feel alone and look to your future wondering how God will love you as you are no longer of value to God because you don’t attend NCMI, or you won’t be able to tithes (and you know if you don’t tithes God wont bless you according to NCMI) that you won’t be able to attend millions of meeting and therefore God cannot love you.

God is always by your side; He will always protect you, helped you and be there for you. YOU DON’T NEED TO BE IN AN ABUSIVE NCMI CHURCH TO GET GOD’S LOVE. You don’t need to be abused, speak in tongues, attend all these meetings, have dreams and visions, you don’t have to tithe your entire salary, stand in the front of the church were everyone can see you waving your hands, you don’t have to plant a church, you don’t have to speak the lingo and you don’t have to be a deacon or in leadership to be saved.

All you need to do is call the name of Jesus – love Jesus and obey Jesus. But the best thing of all is you don’t have to be in an NCMIchurch to do that. My advice to you is run, run from NCMI before you like all these hurt people lose your faith and lose your sight on God (or come near to losing it) God loves us so much, and He is faithful to us and helps us each day. Find God, find a good church and live a life being blessed by God.

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12 comments

  1. With church life I do not see it as us against them, and
    our point of view and their point of view, rather we should see the truth of Gods word exposing and uncovering lies and deceit within the body of Christ. Always have the truth and power of Jesus Christ and not our own point of views. In writing this I am 100 percent behind not only confronting but also exposing
    evil and deceitful practises within the modern day church regardless of who the people are. The guideline Gods word gives us is that every accusation
    against an elder, or another person must be verified
    by two or three people before action can be taken against such a person. When the charges are serious, and only one person has witnessed it, it should still be investigated thoroughly, take someone whom you can trust when you bring the problem before the Pastor or Elders and let them also have a witness to hear the account, never do it alone.
    Make sure of the facts, wait on God, keep your heart pure and motives in line with Gods word. With sexual immorality, abuse of a minor and major incidents act quickly and decisively.
    May the Lord of Host be with us and the fear of the
    Living God always be before us.
    Brother Andre

  2. NCMI guys will never admit any thing is wrong. They are a bit like Charlie Sheen they are bi winning.

    They win when they are right and they win when they are wrong. They have a *magic* anointing they get when they become leaders that make every decision they make have a special *magic* blessing. So even if you submit to something stupid, you will be blessed because of their anointing.

    Even if Jesus, Moses and Toser appeared and told them they would not believe then.

    Commonsense? Logic? Huh, what’s that? Things used by people with no magic and no faith…. 😦

  3. Sad, God bless you and may he open the eyes of the blind people. A society full of narrow minded preachings is unacceptable

  4. Tit 3:10 Warn divisive people once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

    I see your mention about not being assisted in a project. Was this not the true reason you left the church you nor persecute?

    I am sure you will find people who were hurt in every church. Church is run by people who are fallible. You have obviously never felt the weight of leading a church or being an elder. The pain felt when someone leaves church as you did or the desire to protect those who remain. These leaders lay awake at night searching God for answers on how to best prepare His bride.

    I have never come across more divisive words than i have in this website. If you were my flock Tit 3:10 would apply.

    Carefully consider your ways, they are not God’s ways.

    1. Yeah man, and that why you have given up your job to pursue Ministry? Being a pastor at NCF must be really stressful, all that putting in line, all that convincing people about their place in the order of things. Wake up call mate, it’s not your job to micro-manage your congregation. Try chill out and let people work out their own Christianity instead of telling them how to do it. Save some stress, I promise they are capable.

  5. Why do you all debate “dogs vomit” ? Its him or its her, where are you going with this ?? Forget who hurt you, when you still practice satanic or pagan practices ! Who of you own a NIV bible, burn it ! Its written by a lesbian !! Bibles are not The Fathers Word, they are mans paganism interpretation of what they want us to think. the word’s jesus & christ is not even scriptual, but pagan. get your beliefs true, then go and love someone, forget your own feelings !
    PS ive been there when NCMI has gone BAD, SouthSide Church – Bluff Durban , I know the team
    Let our Father sort people out, lets just build relationships that stand.

    Sunday Church has FORMALISED relationships

  6. we were part of NCMI in Pretoria with Ashley Bell, then Nick Davis, afterwards Heinz Schrader.

    Sadly I see now that it was a lot like a cult.
    You were encouraged to ask permission for everything if you didn’t ask for “perspective” then you were on the “fringe”
    we were kept busy and only had 1 night a week that didn’t have activities.
    I needed antidepressants and was made to feel ashamed and embarrassed, that real Christians didn’t need drugs. So I started taking them in secret.

    For the last few years we were on the fringe. We tried to be good enough for them but we weren’t. Our highest goal was to be asked to be home group leaders. But that seemed to be for Heinz’s friends. Every time his friends arrived they were put in the front and given positions that they rest of us craved.

    Im so glad we are out. We lost all our friends (although now they are leaving they are looking us up) our new church has offered us the position of home group leader but we have refused them so far.

    Nick was strange, if a couple had a problem (eg financial / communicating) he would ask about their sex life … that’s weird & cult like. We never went to him for council.
    when they were buying their land he approached all the leadership and wanted to know how much money each family was putting in.

    In my experience “friendship before function” was rubbish. We did a lot of functioning and waited like dogs on the outskirts for a bone of friendship to be thrown at us. It didnt happen. I was told my good works were dirty rags … but I was still expected to do good works?

    1. also they used to quote AW Tozer more than the Bible … that’s a sure sign that something is not right.
      Im not sure if they still do it, we left a few years ago.

      when we left the elder told us we were on our own and there would be no church covering over our lives. Friends who have recently left were told that when others had left the church (and the covering) they got sick / died / got divorced. Their child got extremely sick afterwards and they started to second guess their decision to leave.

      IF ANYONE IS READING THIS AND IS SCARED TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF THESE THREATS:
      If you are a born again Christian you are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ, not by a church or eldership team. Jesus will look after you, protect you and provide for you. If they cut you out, Jesus will send someone else to help you – if he cant find a person he will use a donkey 🙂 You don’t have to fear losing their “covering” most of you know it is worthless anyway.

      Also they will ALL have to answer to Almighty God for the lives they have ruined in their pursuit towards eldership. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED WHAT YOU SOW YOU WILL REAP. May God have mercy on their souls.

      Most of the elders have “church planted” to exotic destinations … we always wondered if it was their “spiritual” way of leaving South Africa. Its “wrong” to emigrate for fear of crime, but its ok to church plant? Don’t be hypocrites, tell the truth.

      Enough ranting.

      Anyway who wants to get out, needs to do it. The faster you face the fact that these people will drop you like a hot potato, the faster you can make friends on the outside and start the rest of your life.

      Start by listening to Joel Osteen (it seems a lot of NCMI’s hate him) and learn how to enjoy your life, be happy and be free.

      1. The Tozer quoting drove me mad! Google Tozer, find out about his life, how he treated his wife and kids. he had no relationship with them and had no close friends. He emotionally abused and neglected them.
        The only way I can understand why he would do that is if he was on the Autism spectrum. That makes sense. He never cared what people thought because he actually didn’t understand social and emotional interaction. Just facts.
        The biggest Toser quoters, I suspect, are also on the spectrum. A certain former leader of Southlands who obsessively quoted Toser also show signs of being on the spectrum. He was often rude and thoughtless and did not have any regard as to how his actions and words would make people feel.

        When I was there NCMI only quoted dead people as they didn’t like live competition.

  7. Hello,
    I attended ‘de Fontein’ in Coevorden the Netherlands. At first I thought, this is cultural thing, hey we are a NCMI church, but also dutch. Now I know it is all truth here. I experienced exactly the same thing in ‘de Fontein’ The elder team does not answer questions, suggest thing which are lies, plays with pastoral hurt to put away the argument, and they have absolutely NO CARE for the sheep, only the knew onces. I am excommunicated after two talk with the elder. They did not answer sincere emails and talk bad about me behind my back.

    Please contact me to advise me. I made a blog too (in dutch) (www.fontein-coevorden.nl) and I want to expose this cult in a way people start to think en stop giving to it. Because if there is no money, it is not interesting anymore for people to fight their positions (and salaries)

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